What do high school Citizenship lessons look like in the Charlotte Mason method? How do these lessons prepare children for the rest of their lives? On today’s podcast, we’re discussing these questions and more, so stay tuned.

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Emily
Welcome to A Delectable Education, the podcast that spreads the feast of the Charlotte Mason Method. I’m Emily Kiser and I’m here with…

Liz
…Liz Cottrill…

Nicole
…and Nicole Williams. 

Emily
In Forms 5 and 6, so that’s high school, 10th, 11th and 12th grades, the subject of Citizenship changes titles, thankfully, because I won’t have to say it anymore, and it was called on the programs Everyday Morals and Economics.

Liz
I was impressed with how you said magnanimity, and I was really glad that you had to say that.

Emily
So Nicole, will you tell us what the subject now is going to cover at this level?

Nicole
Yeah, the shift in title actually reflects the shift in focus a little bit from…well, we’ll just talk about that. So in Form 5, so this is grades 10 and 11…had to think about that for a minute. Students read the second book of Ourselves now, and they’re going to read that over the course of those two years. And here, Miss Mason takes the discussion of the personal character and responsibility to a more mature territory in a lot of cases, exploring the moral life, exercises of will and the individual’s place in the common good. 

But alongside of Ourselves, students read works on political theory, economics and social responsibility, and I’m going to list a few of them for you, just as examples. Things that she assigned were The Crown of Wild Olive by Ruskin, The Rights and Duties of a Citizen by Maldon, The Economic World by Burns, The Duties of Man by Mazzini, or The Dawn of World Order by Smith and Garnett. Some years a third book was added, such as Bacon’s New Atlantis or Pope’s Essays on Man, Carlyle’s essays. We saw the essays also in our literature episodes. 

Now in Form 6 students moved on to even more advanced work. Have y’all noticed that Plutarch is not in this list mentioned here? And they often read from two or three categories each term. In one group, they may encounter Plato’s Trial and Death of Socrates. There’s one called Education of the Young, Socratic Dialogs. And then another group, they studied works like the State and the Nation by Jenks, and Economics for the General Reader by Clay Everybody’s Business by Withers. And then occasionally you had a third book that included things like Boethius’ On the Consolation of Philosophy and Howard’s The Proper Study of Mankind, or Murray’s The Ordeal of this Generation. I love that title. 

Liz
You mean, other generations have had ordeals?

Nicole
It’s worth noting that Miss Mason sometimes indicated that a certain upper form title should be borrowed from a library. I loved this point because it kind of acknowledged that not everything was available to her, either. 

Emily
Or maybe because, you know, her goal was that they would leave their education with a library, and maybe it’s a worthy book to read, but it’s not something you’re going to want to have on your library shelf.

Nicole
Yeah. And she would say, Well, this one’s out of print, but go find it at the library. I loved that because it was like, No, this is a good book to read, go find it, you know. So that was good. So the lessons focused a lot on the discussion or reflection, rather than just narration alone. We’ll see in Composition you’ve got some tie-in there too.

Emily
Yes, yeah, yeah. We really see that in their exams, or the exam questions that were set there. She is drawing a lot more in their composition from this subject than previously. 

Well, the lesson format at this level is just twice a week for 30 minutes both times. So instead of having a shorter lesson for all these things, both of these take precedent, and Plutarch is gone, right? 

The individual lessons are really structured like other book lessons, but there’s going to be more independence at this level. They’re going to be working a lot, reading and thinking and writing a lot more independently, and it should be a habit by now for them to start every lesson by recalling what they did. My husband is a wonderful example of this. He does it every time he picks up a read aloud, even if it’s been months. Let’s remember what’s been happening, you know. And so that can become a habit, and should be by this time. 

And then they’re going to be doing reading and narrating. And most often it’s going to be written narration at this level, right? There are about three to four maximum books per day, book lessons per day, and they were to do at least…

Liz
In all subjects.

Emily
In all subjects, at least two, at least two narrations that were to be written each day. So really, the majority of their lessons are going to be written at this time.

Nicole
Yeah. 

Emily
So the thing that you need to do as a teacher is to keep abreast of what they’re reading, because most of this work is going to be independent, right? 

Nicole
Right. 

Emily
We should have understanding sympathy, we should have ongoing discussion with them. I really like, not just maybe reading like, Oh, this is what they’re reading this week, but to have read and digested and thought about the book myself so that I can have formed thoughts already to have discussions with them. 

Our objectives for these lessons, again, as we have been saying all along, is that Charlotte Mason’s quote, children gather that little code of principles which should guide their lives from these lessons. Everyday morals. That is what all of us, walking out every single day of our lives, right? Our moral code informs every decision that we make, every encounter that we have with people. So we’re giving them knowledge to fit them to live for the good of their neighbors in the world. Knowledge of themselves again, Ourselves is going even deeper than it did previously, knowledge of others and knowledge of government and living together. 

And I really like the scope that you laid out for us. You’ll notice like, yes, there’s some ancient philosophy about government, the Socratic dialogs are all about, you know, what’s the good of the state for the state? How do people live together? And, you know, Socrates shooting down everything that gets brought before him. But then what it was, the one that you said, like this moment, the problem, or deal, the ordeal of this generation, ordeal of this generation, something like, things that are very…We should be balancing not just old, ancient things, but what’s in our cultural zeitgeist, what problems and ethical dilemmas are we grappling with as a society today? We should be spanning that both together. 

So our teacher prep is to determine the amount of work to be accomplished in each lesson. So that’s going to be based on the material that we’re assigned, right? So we want to forecast so that they’re not reading too quickly or too slowly, maybe. Pre-read as possible, you know, as much as possible for ourselves to be able to enter into those discussions and then engage our students. We want to read their narrations, if they’re mostly writing them down and then have discussion. It doesn’t have to be in the moment right after the lesson at this age, right? They’re holding these thoughts, and that helps them, you know, apply things that they’ve read in their books to actual everyday life, right? 

So for resources, just like Charlotte Mason assigned a bunch of different things, we assign a bunch of different things. So I don’t have a whole lot to show you today, but again, Riverbend press’ edition of Ourselves. This is book two, and so I like to present students with their own copy that they can keep, you know, and it’s a book…I think that’s probably the volume I’ve read the most of hers, and every time I come through, I get struck to the heart by some problem that I have that I need to

Liz
It wasn’t really just written for kids. 

Emily
Right.  And yes, to have that as a reference, we do like to assign economics texts, government now, like more inner workings of our federal government, primary sources. We get asked a lot about do they read the Constitution or the Magna Carta or the Federalist Papers, and this is a great place to put those kinds of things. And then one book that I really like, kind of fitting with Our Generation’s Dilemma, because it hits very close–

Nicole
Our Generation’s Ordeal. 

Emily
Sorry…interesting that those two words are synonymous in my head. But Tim Keller’s Generous Justice, I think is very challenging, and I think it will challenge you, regardless of where you fall on the perspective of how we use our resources for community. But again, that is a huge part of how we live out and live in the world and in society, and primarily for Christian families, because he is taking his principles from scripture, but I love to assign that for 12th graders, just to really think practically and maybe question some of their assumptions. And, you know, get them thinking about these things that are really going to be front and center for the rest of their lives.

Nicole
Yeah, you can’t really consider that any of these books that I listed are just like, go along books.  They are books to challenge.

Liz
Yeah, and they’re not necessarily all appropriate for today.

Nicole
Yeah right. 

Emily
Yeah right, yes. And I do think like with just the problems facing our generation, to think about them through a biblical lens, and then what that looks like, because it’s often not what we’ve grown up assuming.

Liz
And we have found many good resources for economics, too. 

Emily
Yeah. So would you like to tell us any challenges or questions that you get… 

Liz
I think just some things to think about. You know, sometimes at this age, some students are prone to push back. Why do I have to do this? On the other hand, I would have to say – especially boys, but girls too, no stereotype types here – just really, actually take a great interest in a lot of these things. They’ve heard people talking about all these big ideas, and now they’re starting to grapple with it themselves and in the book Ourselves. What I really like is all those moral dilemmas they’ve been faced with in Plutarch and in their novels and everything else. She brings it home to them and gets them thinking about what it really means to lie or to obfuscate or to shirk your responsibilities. And she talks a lot about their will and their conscience, and I think it’s excellent for them to understand their own motivations and what they need to be. 

But I think especially in these last couple of forms of school, their high school years is where we start to see the fruit from all the previous forms come together. They have been evaluating characters and history and literature, weighing those against their own values all this time and that they’ve been exposed to all this rich literature, and so now their challenge is to bring their own ideas to bear. What are they going to do in their own lives? And I think this comes out a lot in their essays and compositions. We can be encouraging them to some of the ideas they’ve gotten from Citizenship, to include those in some of the topics that they’re given to write.

Nicole
And don’t you think that at this level, you know, you really try to impress the point that if we could read these books, we would be a huge blessing to our children, because these are really philosophical books and challenging, not just challenging in, Can I read this?, but challenging in I’ve got to chew through this and think about it. And I was just thinking that maybe this would be a really good area to have a group of kids who are also the same age, and to once a month or once a term, meet and be able to discuss some of these wonderful ideas.

Liz
Yeah, that’d be wonderful.

Emily
We are so glad you joined us for the discussion today. Next week, we will conclude our Citizenship series as we answer the most common practical questions that we hear about this subject. Thanks for joining us as we continue to spread the Feast of the Charlotte Mason method.